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Gamer Tick: Will There Be An Xbox 720?

In this installment of Gamer Tick, Jim investigates the future of Microsoft's console franchise.

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If there was one major disappointment of the past console cycle - that of the Xbox and PlayStation 2 - it was that it was over so quickly. If you a look at the games that were released in the PS2's final 18 months (if we look at a year before and six months after the PlayStation 3 turned up) it looks very much as if developers were just getting into their stride with Sony's machine. Likewise with the Xbox - that was barely given a chance to get good. If God of War 2 was such a leap forward from the original game, what could have similar studios done with another two years of development on the last generation platforms? Arguably, the latest two platforms, the PS3 and the Xbox 360, came about too quickly.

All of which leads to me admitting my bias in this analysis: I really hope there isn't another console cycle for a very long time. 2010 would be far too early. Let's let developers get really, really good with the machines we have now. Everyone will benefit.

Regardless, the clues for the next cycle of the Xbox are already being spotted by the unblinking eye of the internet. This job advert from Microsoft does seem to suggest they've moving into a future-planning phase already: "Microsoft's new Halo Studio team is looking for a technical and highly talented program manager to work with an engineering team to help define the next generation of gaming software technology." The page-hungry bloggers are quick to call it the footstone for next-gen hardware, or even next-gen blockbuster games, but of course it could just the next installment of Direct X, the software that runs games on PC and Xbox.

Nevertheless there are some more concrete clues, such as Microsoft's President of Entertainment and Devices Division saying this in June: "We started thinking about the next generation before we shipped the Xbox 360. It doesn't start with a date. It starts way upstream with silicon development. From that comes a series of data points. You start making early technology choices. It's an evolving thing."

Experts have already been having their say on the when exactly that machine might show itself. Pacific Crest Securities analyst Evan Wilson told Gamespot that "we believe that peak industry sales will occur in 2010, given that Microsoft will likely introduce its next console that year." If that's true, the 360 will have lost the most recent console war, and been pushed into obsolescence before its rival has even begun to hits its global peak. Microsoft would have to have to invest billions on launching a new system from scratch, which - although it will be technically superior - will have to take on a cheaper PS3, and the already vast resources of Sony's developer network to actually make the games people want to play.

And does Microsoft have the development clout long-term? Looking at the future line-up of PS3 games, and the potential for titles like LittleBigPlanet to go into supernova, you'd have to say no. Then there's the unexpected closure of Ensemble Studios. This is one of the legends of the game development world, the producers of the Age Of Empires series. They're finished once Halo Wars has finished up its development cycle. Why would Microsoft be closing such a significant studio? And are there other closures and sell-offs to come? The rumor mill is quietly nodding.

In fact, if you look a little closer at the NPD figures over the past year, it begins to look as if Microsoft is to be the third horse in the console race. While some months have seen the 360 out in front for software sales, and occasionally holding the No. 2 spot behind the Wii on hardware, it seems clear that the 360 will not come out on top in this latest cycle. Despite the 10 million unit user-base in the U.S., the 360 cannot match the long-term growth of its Japanese rivals.

So what of the Xbox 720? Can it, should it exist? Despite its vast cash reserves and commitment to a "20 year" game console project, is it really worth Microsoft coming back for another round? Some commentators, such as WildTangent CEO Alex St. John, are already saying no, and arguing that this, in fact, is the last generation of consoles: "The era of consoles defined by graphics and high-production values is over," said St. John at this summer's Casual Connect conference. "Sony and Microsoft took the bet that prettier graphics would be the huge differentiating feature for their consoles. They were wrong. Everybody expects things to look good, so making it look 10 percent better doesn't have a big impact on its value. Since that's changed, we now live in an era where community defines the value of a game, not production values. So the community dynamics of an MMO are more valuable to a user than how good the graphics look."

It's possible that there's some truth here. There might be 10 million 360s in the U.S., but there are also 10 million World Of Warcraft subscribers - a single game - and countless millions of PCs coming online across Asia and China. That, you might argue, is the real market for gaming - not these fancy boxes Sony and Microsoft want to sell us. So perhaps St. John is right, and we'll end up with something that's just a PC with a fancy interface, rather than a single box owned and manufactured by Microsoft. Perhaps the Xbox 720 will be built by Dell and Gateway ...

Or perhaps Microsoft's commitment extends further than that. After all, when asked what Microsoft would do if the 360 failed, Bill Gates replied, "We'll play again."

Jim Rossignol, author of the recent gamer-culture book This Gaming Life and editor at RockPaperShotgun.com, has been writing about videogames for the past decade. His work has been published by Wired, The BBC, The London Times, PC Gamer, The Escapist, Edge magazine, Gamasutra.com and many others.

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[+1] Wes – Posted September 18th, 2008, 8:56 am

I think the X360 is far from dead as all these PSfanboys declare.

Has it ever occured to you guys that maybe.... just maybe MS has sold more than enough consoles to ensure a price cut ? That even with the RRoD story that they still made $$$ out of it.. And still be able to lower they're price's. Steal "exclusives" and give our dashboard a face lift

Stop kidding yourself, Moore isnt worried why should we the "gamers" be, Only reason PS3 is selling eqaully well is because its the cheapest blue ray player on the market... DUH! People arent buying it purely for gaming even Sony sated that the PS3 is primarily for multi media entertainment value and secondary gaming.. WHATS UP WITH THAT???

And with Xbox live (Best online experience you'll ever have) raises the bar with playing and tauting people online and enjoying the type of next gen console experience you'd expect from MS

Face it MS is the ulitmate next gen console it might be out classed by media a.k.a blue ray but not supply of great titles to keep you busy for atleast 6 years

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[+2] Matt AKA stealtip – Posted September 17th, 2008, 7:16 pm

OK WoW sucks so much, everyone complains about xbox live costing $5.00 a month, but no Wow is $15.00 a month and all you get out of that game is obesity; NOW THATS WOW!!!!!!
Also PC GAMES SUCK, so calm down they will be dead soon.
The Wii is for everyone good for it,; Super smash is amazing, but the Wii has barley any games, also I want to play some gears of war............................. Wait someone just told me this but theres to much gore on that game for the Wii NOWAY!!!!!! ~SHOCKING~
I got the Xbox 360 right when it came out and I have not had one issue except the CD Drive which Microsoft did NOT make samsung did.
AND THIS IS FOR VISTA BOY EZEKIEL THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH MINE...........
AND LASTLY, PS3 blows more than PS2 did

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[-1] Ezekiel – Posted September 17th, 2008, 12:32 pm

Eh, I wasted my time reading this article. The xbox is just Microsoft's way of injecting themselves into more areas of our lives. Really, I can't see how anyone can be a fanboy of them in the first place. They made a console that was flawed... they knew it, and released it anyways, not caring about the consumers. Hell, Vista is responsible for alot of my friends switching over to Ubuntu lol The rest are still using XP. Internet explorer fails, I don't know anyone who actually uses it. They use Firefox, Opera, and some use Chrome. And then there's the Zune...I know one person who bought one, he returned it the next week.The rest either have i-pods or lesser known brands. you know what, on second thought... I'm gonna go out and buy a 360. Flash the firmware and have unlimited free games LoL Hopefully Microsoft will go bankrupt from bribing all the game developers to use their product, only to have piracy cancel out a lot of the profits.

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[-4] m00t – Posted September 17th, 2008, 2:14 am

Why do they call it the XBOX 720? Because when you see it you'll turn 720 degrees and walk away.

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[+5] Skor – Posted September 17th, 2008, 2:40 am

Wow, you spin around twice so you're facing towards it, and then walk away?

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[-1] Ezekiel – Posted September 17th, 2008, 12:34 pm

Exactly, he's a true 360 fan. He spins around twice when it's released, buys one immediately, then walks away... to be back in a week because it exploded

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[+2] Saigon – Posted September 16th, 2008, 11:05 pm

Ok, this article is a little biased. The author is jumping ahead of himself with out realizing the facts. MS has already made statements that a new xBox is in the making. They are at the development stage of the system right now, trying to figure out what can be used.

As far as the sales of the 360, I understand what the author is trying to say, but he did not hit the hammer on the nail. From what has been told from several reports the PS3 has the lead over the 360 in all regions except NA. The 360 currently has a 5 mil WW lead on the PS3, which is also within NA.

I think the author needs to include more games than just LBP. Sony has Socom, KZ2, R2, M2, Infamous, WKS, and several other exclusives coming out for their end of fiscal year 2008. That is a stong line-up of exclusive games, and I did not mention all of them for that time frame.

I do admit the 360 has a lot of of games coming out this fall but only 2 will be AAA games, as long as GeoW2 can survive. For some reason I have a fealing GeoW2 will not live up to what it should be. The reason I say this is because things have been quiet on this game since E3 and each showing of the game has been good not excelent. Either way after the holiday season, what impacting game will MS have until the Spring. This is one of the major issues.

The sad thing is that end of 2008 and all of 2009 is looking better and better for sony. Right now MS has nothing impacting, and that is causing sales to stall. Now I am not saying they are not selling consoles, because they still will but its slowing at a dramatic rate.

People talk about the jrpgs that were just released, but those people did not look at the numbers. The sales (Tales) stalled after one week, and LR sales also were not that high as it should have been. If you look at trends for Japan, a good game usually sale well for several weeks.

I don't feel like continuing, because there is so much on this subject, also I am not being biased towards the 360 but things do not look good, lets hope the price drop actually does something.



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[+1] SL – Posted September 16th, 2008, 5:41 pm

WildTangent CEO Alex St. John

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[+1] SL – Posted September 16th, 2008, 5:38 pm

WildTangent CEO Alex St. John

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[+2] Souldat – Posted September 16th, 2008, 4:24 pm

Total bull**** this article. Sony fanboy.

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[+9] DM – Posted September 16th, 2008, 4:16 pm

What a horrible article. First off the PS2 was out 2 years before the xbox. It lasted 7 years, which is unheard of in the console industry. Look at Nintendo, they released a console every 5 years. There will always be a console coming out with better graphics. Video games these days are just as much about immersion into the games as they are about game play. Sure the Wii may appeal to my parents, but they own one game (wii sports) and clearly the wii is NOT the trend of the future. This guy has no idea what he is talking about.

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[+4] Edgar – Posted September 16th, 2008, 8:05 pm

I totally agree. Honestly if the next generation of consoles doesn't have better graphics I'm going back to PC gaming. I also disagree with the author when he says MS doesn't have the strength to compete with Sony's line up. While Sony does have an impressive line up I wouldn't say that Little Big Planet trumps everything in MS's library. MS has really impressed me with their steady flow of strong exclusive titles, and they continue to strengthen their armada of first party exclusives.

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[+4] Zaphod – Posted September 16th, 2008, 3:36 pm

I want better graphics and I do care more for that then a big community since I am a casual guy with a stiffy for cool gadgets. Just like most of the other of millions of guys out there who have decided over which console to go with. Most of us will buy either a PS3 or a Xbox 360 because they have better graphics.
Wii is not targeting this group and they are making tons of cash thanks to that decision. But to say that the entire consoleworld needs to focus on children and MMO-players is to shoot oneself in the foot.

I wanna play insanely effectpacked games with pixels comming out of its own ass. **** the wii, **** WoW, gimme some sexy fightin!

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[-2] Jorge – Posted September 16th, 2008, 3:58 pm

I like graphics too, but they're not everything.

I bet that if you yourself would pick a new experience over a flashy game any day of the week. It's just that there hasn't been a new experience in a long while. The Wii, while promised a lot, didn't deliver at all, so it doesn't count.

But I am SURE that if a new console popped out of nowhere, with an amazing VR helmet or something revolutionary like that appeared, but looked like PSP games, you and everybody else would choose it over PS3, 4, and anything else.

Really man, if you're gonna use "zaphod" for a nick, respect the name by not spewing fratboy oppinions :)

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[-4] DM – Posted September 16th, 2008, 4:52 pm

Yeah, hey that's why the Virtual boy was soooo pupolar.

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[+6] Mike – Posted September 16th, 2008, 3:25 pm

This article claims that the 360 is doomed and will come in as the loser out it, the wii, and the PS3. However, it fails to realize that software sales indicate that more games are played on the 360 than the others.

That may change in time, with releases from PS3. However, until then, it cannot be called a loser. In case someone thinks I am biased, I have both a PS3 and a 360. And I look forward to a 720.

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[-2] Justin – Posted September 16th, 2008, 2:53 pm

I played a few games on an XBox 360 at a friends house not long after he got it and didnt really care for it. I stuck with Sony PS2, In fact my friend ended up switching to Play Station as well.

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[+2] NS2_Erick – Posted September 16th, 2008, 1:37 pm

I think you know what you are talking about, first your post cries foul for any Xbox 360 owner, I can see your point in that the current generation of consoles came too early, but to say that the Xbox is doomed is ridiculous and naive.

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[+3] NS2_Erick – Posted September 16th, 2008, 1:38 pm

I think you don't know what you are talking about, first your post cries foul for any Xbox 360 owner, I can see your point in that the current generation of consoles came too early, but to say that the Xbox is doomed is ridiculous and naive.

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[+3] Corey – Posted September 16th, 2008, 9:33 am

Why all this doom and gloom for the 360 lately? The 360 has a commanding lead over Sony in the U.S. and I think this months price drop is going to make that number even bigger. Recent JRPG hits have spiked sales (slightly) in Japan as well. I don't believe the 360 is going to have any problem coming in #2 in the U.S., which is hardly the case for crying FAILURE as this articles is seemingly trying to do.

I do like the idea of the 720 becoming an open hardware platform, though. Since MS blew it big time with the 360 hardware reliability, why not create a hardware standard for the 720, and open it for licensing to any hardware manufacturer that want to build the next Xbox. How nice would it be to have 3 different companies competing with their own Xbox hardware? Competition creates cheaper hardware for all of us. Plus, by doing this you could have your choice of Xbox with whatever features the manufacturer adds. For instance perhaps Samsung would make one built into a TV. Panasonic could make one that also plays Blu Ray discs, etc.

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[0] civik – Posted September 16th, 2008, 5:06 pm

I think the negativity is coming from the fact that 360 sales have hit a wall lately, while PS3 has quietly been doubling 360 sales on a month over month basis. My theory on this is in the current marketplace the PS3 is much more attractive looking between the two machines holistically. A Blu-Ray player, media server and game console for 400$ is really a pretty good deal. (disclaimer, I own both consoles) Who cares anyway, both machines are great. The Wii is the real enemy.

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[0] Edgar – Posted September 16th, 2008, 8:09 pm

Where did you get these figures? I'm not saying I doubt you, but I know I haven't been able to find world wide sales figures, just NPD figures. Of course we all know that MS has had some trouble outselling the PS3 even in North America, but they're not getting stomped, and I suspect the price drop will reverse this.

One last note, I agree with you that both PS3 and 360 are great, and I hate the Wii, it embodies everything I think is wrong with this generation of consoles. I own a wii btw.

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[0] rc – Posted September 16th, 2008, 3:48 pm

Didn't somebody try the open platform console already? Oh yeah that was 3DO... I'm not saying that It could never work, but one of the big draws for the console buyer and developer is that you have a unified platform. You don't have to worry about having the right video card, or if your game will work on a bargain basement machine. Actually Microsoft and Sony have already blown this one, I don't think their multiple SKU strategy is helping them in this console generation.

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[+1] Corey – Posted September 18th, 2008, 9:57 am

The main problem with the 3DO is that it cost $800. If the cost of a $600 PS3 was a problem in 2006, an $800 3DO 15 years ago was an all out nightmare. Not that that was the only issue with the 3DO, but I can guarantee it was the main problem.

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[0] smok – Posted September 16th, 2008, 12:30 pm

Oh god please don't let this happen. I don't want world in 2 years with the same problems PC world had in 90s.

Then wait several years so it clears out.

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[0] Celina – Posted September 16th, 2008, 6:10 am

LittleBigPlanet FTW

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[+2] User – Posted September 16th, 2008, 3:38 pm

Nice madeup logic there bub.

"While some months have seen the 360 out in front for software sales, and occasionally holding the No. 2 spot behind the Wii on hardware, it seems clear that the 360 will not come out on top in this latest cycle."

Why does it seem clear? Your not using and facts or logic here to back up your assertions.

"Despite the 10 million unit user-base in the U.S., the 360 cannot match the long-term growth of its Japanese rivals."

Again facts please? Your using your previous conjecture(and that's all it is) to backup your conclusion. That's a no-no for any even semi-serious reporter/blogger.

To echo the other poster, enough with the doom and gloom about the Xbox 360. It continues to have the best games made available for it and costs only $199. I think by any measure it has a very bright future.



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[+2] Dark – Posted September 16th, 2008, 5:12 pm

Wow so much hate, numbers tell all, weakest console has always won the "console wars" and as long as it offers something fun it always will. The problem with the Ps3 and Xbox360 is buyer confusion for anyone who doesn't spend all day posting on forums, and to all the Wii haters, it is significantly outselling the other 2 systems and while some games may s ell more on the 360 or ps3 the sheer number of games released for the wii(yea alot of shovelware) is still making tons of money just becuasue of the over 30 million user base worldwide. That and when the next generation of consoles come out, Microsoft and sony WILL have copied nintendo's motion controls making it clear that the wii, while graphically inferior, had the strongest selling point of all.

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[+1] EDGE – Posted September 16th, 2008, 7:29 pm

Well said. I think the combination of a PS3/Xbox 360 and the Wii would be the ultimate console. That is what is going to come out of all 3 companies next time around I think. Nintendo can claim graphics aren't everything when they have something else like motion controls (which do work, and work well, and will work even better with the new dongle). But next time around it is obvious everyone will have motion controls and Nintendo will be able to make an HD console and have motion controls much further along than anyone else and make it as cheap as they always want to have it.

I only currently own a Wii mostly due to funds, but I would buy all three in a heartbeat. Still these companies aren't in it to make magic happy rainbows for their customers. They are in it to make money, period. If that isn't happening, then there is no point to it, and shareholders could even start crying foul.

I don't think Microsoft will give up so easily, but it really doesn't help that I can just wait and buy the latest 360 game for my PC with much better controls. That is always going to cut into their user base. There really is no reason for me to buy a 360 with the PC I have at home, especially when I am the only gamer in my home.

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